Dems plot aggressive post-Mueller moves, beginning with McGahn
House Democrats have zeroed in on former White House counsel Don McGahn — a witness whose testimony could antagonize President TrumpDonald John TrumpRussia’s election interference is a problem for the GOP Pence to pitch trade deal during trip to Michigan: report Iran oil minister: US made ‘bad mistake’ in ending sanctions waivers MORE — as they adopt an aggressive posture in the wake of special counsel Robert MuellerRobert (Bob) Swan MuellerSasse: US should applaud choice of Mueller to lead Russia probe MORE’s report.
The House Judiciary Committee has demanded that McGahn appear in a public hearing before it on May 21, which would give Democrats an opportunity to draw out unflattering details about Trump and his White House.
McGahn is viewed as a key witness who could shed light on obstruction of justice allegations against Trump. Mueller did not find Trump obstructed justice, but he also did not exonerate him on the issue.
The former White House counsel offered extensive testimony to Mueller’s team and is featured prominently in the report’s examination of nearly a dozen episodes of potential obstruction of justice by Trump, including one instance in which Trump is described as directing McGahn to have the special counsel removed.
Publicly, Trump has shown frustration with McGahn as a result of his cooperation in Mueller’s investigation. His lawyer Rudy Giuliani has attacked McGahn’s credibility, provoking barbs with McGahn’s own counsel.
Democrats say they want to hear McGahn’s unvarnished story.
“I would like to hear him describe in his own words the president’s order to get the special counsel fired,” Rep. Jamie RaskinJamin (Jamie) Ben RaskinHouse Dem calls on lawmakers to ‘insulate’ election process following Mueller report Dem lawmaker: Mueller report shows ‘substantial body of evidence’ on obstruction Washington in frenzy over release of Mueller report MORE (D-Md.) told The Hill in a phone interview Tuesday. “We are being confronted with a pattern of lawlessness and spectacular disrespect for the rule of law. McGahn is in a unique position to describe the actual dynamic of presidential misconduct.”
Republicans and the White House are accusing Democrats of playing politics.
“They don’t want to get to the truth,” White House spokesman Hogan Gidley told reporters Tuesday on the North Lawn driveway. “They want to get to this president.”
The investigations also run the risk of extending into the 2020 campaign cycle and irritating voters already showing some signs of Mueller fatigue.
“The risk for Democrats is having these hearings push far into the presidential cycle, and they’ll end up saddling our presidential candidates with tremendous responsibility, not just to promote their own policies but to defend their colleagues that will be conducting these hearings and responding to things coming out of them,” said Democratic strategist Basil Smikle.
McGahn is one of several figures Congress wants to talk to. The Washington Post also reported Tuesday evening that the White House plans to fight the subpoena, which would likely set up an explosive tug-of-war between the executive and legislative branches.
Democrats also hope to bring in Mueller for hearings, and are expected to hear from Attorney General William BarrWilliam Pelham BarrLove or hate Trump, Mueller report doesn’t matter Immigration judge calls Barr’s move to deny asylum-seekers bond hearings ‘highly problematic’ Trump’s job approval ticks up 2 points: Gallup MORE, whom they have criticized for mishandling the release of Mueller’s report.
It’s unclear how damaging McGahn’s public testimony would be, or whether he might offer new details not included on Mueller’s report.
According to the report, McGahn refused Trump’s appeal in June 2017 to remove Mueller. McGahn feared that a firing would have triggered “another Saturday Night Massacre,” a reference to former President Richard Nixon’s firing of top Justice Department officials amid the Watergate scandal.
One former White House official who worked under Trump doubted McGahn would spurn the president in public testimony, despite his rocky departure from the administration last fall.
“Democrats are hell-bent on inflicting as much political damage as possible on the president, and that’s what they’ll be looking to do with any former official before the committee,” the former White House official said. “McGahn did not end his tenure on a positive note and the president did pull his business from Jones Day, but I would be surprised if McGahn did anything to further the Democrats’ political objectives.”
Still, the testimony could generate a series of unfortunate headlines for Trump.
“I think similar to [former Trump attorney Michael] Cohen’s testimony several months ago, it will dominate the nation’s attention in an unhelpful way to Republicans,” said Alex Conant, former communications director for Sen. Marco RubioMarco Antonio RubioSenate Republicans tested on Trump support after Mueller Cuban negotiator says Trump’s efforts to destabilize Cuba’s government will fail Freedom to Compete Act would benefit many American workers MORE’s (R-Fla.) presidential campaign. “Trump went to North Korea and still couldn’t get Cohen off the front pages.”
“I think McGahn would be an even bigger deal,” Conant said. “If McGahn says on TV what he apparently told Mueller in a conference room, that could potentially be damaging to the president in a way the Mueller report has not been.”
There is also a real possibility that the White House could seek to block or limit McGahn’s testimony by exerting executive privilege, which Gidley did not rule out when speaking to reporters Tuesday. McGahn’s attorney did not return multiple requests for comment on the subpoena, which was issued Monday evening.
The White House has taken a decidedly combative stance on other congressional probes, including instructing a former official to evade a subpoenaed appearance before the House Oversight and Reform Committee on Tuesday in the panel’s probe into alleged failures in the administration’s issuance of security clearances.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold NadlerJerrold (Jerry) Lewis NadlerKlobuchar on impeachment: ‘I’m the jury’ Where 2020 Democratic candidates stand on impeachment Pelosi downplays impeachment post-Mueller report MORE (D-N.Y.) unveiled the subpoena for McGahn to produce documents sought by his committee in its investigation into alleged obstruction and abuses of power by Trump and members of his inner circle by May 7.
Nadler also demanded his public testimony, describing the former White House counsel as a “critical witness to many of the alleged instances of obstruction of justice and other misconduct described in the Mueller report.”
The announcement immediately proceeded a Democratic caucus phone call during which House Speaker Nancy PelosiNancy Patricia D'Alesandro PelosiPence to pitch trade deal during trip to Michigan: report Julián Castro: Trump should be impeached for trying to obstruct justice ‘in very concrete ways’ Swalwell on impeachment: ‘We’re on that road’ after Mueller report MORE (D-Calif.) sought to tamp down conversations about impeachment but encouraged committee chairs to press forward on their respective probes.
It also came days after Nadler, unsatisfied with Barr’s accommodations, subpoenaed the Justice Department for Mueller’s full report and underlying evidence.
Republicans accused Democrats of tossing aside the law in order to relitigate the special counsel investigation for political purposes; one Republican Judiciary aide argued Tuesday that McGahn’s communications with Trump would likely be covered by attorney-client privilege.
“These legal protections and regulations seem to be falling victim to the Democrats’ desire to relitigate the special counsel investigation,” the GOP aide said.
Democrats, however, appear undeterred by criticism, vowing to push forward on what they view as legitimate oversight investigations.
Rep. David Cicillaine (D-R.I.) on Tuesday suggested to The Hill that the committee may call other officials cited in Mueller’s report to testify. The committee voted along party lines to authorize Nadler to subpoena McGahn and other former White House officials, including former chief of staff Reince PriebusReinhold (Reince) Richard PriebusHouse Judiciary chairman subpoenas former White House lawyer McGahn Trump snapped at McMaster for taking notes during meeting: report The Memo: Mueller’s depictions will fuel Trump angst MORE, in early April.
“I think we are going to hear from a number of witnesses who furnished information to the special counsel to provide us with more context of the events and specifically describe for us the actions of the president and obviously to produce materials relevant to our oversight responsibilities,” Cicilline said.
“The president has been trying to undermine this investigation from the beginning, and constantly refers to ‘ Angry Democrats.’ It turns out much of the most damaging evidence against the president came from members of his own administration which is very revealing,” Cicilline added.